What is the worst crime?  It doesn’t hurt to ask oneself this once in a while.  Maybe you have no simple answer.  I know I don’t.  But let us put it this way: what are some of the worst crimes?  What makes you really upset?

Crimes against children would rank high on my list.  Abuse – physical, mental, sexual – abandonment, maltreatment, neglect.  Just the thought of this makes me feel bad.  Children are born innocent, they are dependent of adult care and support, they need love and understanding.  This is the only way they can grow.

Naturally then, speaking to Teacher Tho at the Child Protection Centre is quite an upsetting experience.  Tho is one of eight teachers at the Centre which houses 45 children, ages 6-18, who have all been subjected to some kind of abuse.

“Many times parents will just drop the child off and never come back”, says Tho.  “Other times a mother or an aunt will bring the child and ask us to protect her from the father or some other male relative.” 

The staff also do outreach work.  Two or three times a week they go out in town and look for street kids, helping them where needed and building confidence.  “Our aim is to bring them in”, says Tho and tells of foreigners who give food, snacks and shelter, demanding sexual favours in return.  “It is very very common.  Children have always run away from home, but whereas in earlier times they would live in the woods or parks and fend for themselves, now there is sex tourism and drugs, and that makes everything so much worse.  Most of these kids have led very hard lives.”

Glue sniffing is a huge problem among children living on the streets.  The Centre tries to break these habits by filling days with activities – for example, when not in school, they learn how to cook, grow vegetables, take care of two black pigs and many chickens.  Fortunately also, the Centre is located far from everything, there just isn’t the possibility to pop out to the shop and by glue, cigarettes, alcohol or any other substance that they should not use.

The teachers live with the children in three newly built identical double storey houses with enclosed kitchens.  These were finished in October 2009, funded by the German and Swiss Embassies, and when I visit in late March four more houses are being built.  The teachers work 24 hours, 6 days a week, acting as parental figures and role models and continuously teaching values and necessary life skills.

The Centre was started in 2008 by Khun Jaa, who worked for many years with street kids at the Redemptorist Street Kids Centre.  Unfortunately, Khun Jaa is out of town the week I am able to visit, it would have been nice to talk to him, as I am told that he had a vision of how he wanted to work with these children.  When the Human Help Network in Thailand offered to fund his ideas he was able to make reality of his dream.  The Child Protection Centre was born.

“We hear so many tragic stories”, says Teacher Tho.  “Like the little Cambodian girl who was separated from her parents after they had all been trafficked from their country.  She was forced to sell roses on the Beach and was abused in more than one way.  No one knows where the parents are and soon the girl will be deported back.”

Every single child here at the Centre has a story.  45 cases of tragedy.

“Are they offered some kind of therapy or counselling if they need it?” I ask, and am told that yes, Chonburi Hospital will give them free therapy with a psychiatrist when necessary.  But it does not happen often.

The question of therapy is a funny thing here in Thailand.  One lady I spoke to openly said:  It is not the Thai way.  We prefer to be more spontaneous, more informal.  Teacher Tho expresses it differently, he says that it will often scare the children to go to the hospital and meet a stranger.  Thus, the staff at the Centre prefer to deal with it themselves, building confidence and giving daily support.  “We do have a social worker here day and night, a person they know and can confide in.  More like a friend.”

Over by the pond several children help out to collect green food for the pigs, diving in the water, raking up the wet weeds.  It looks like great fun, lots of laughing, splashing, screams.  Like any other kids.  Far from Walking Street and the Beach.

Maybe you will see a child like them the next time you go for a swim; a child walking with a nice man who has just bought him or her a soda or an ice cream.  Do you think you would be able to tell?  Would you do something to help?

If you do know of a child that is abused call Khun Jaa at 081-949-9349.

Wat Nongkhetnoi school is a short distance north-east of Pattaya.  The Wat itself is quite famous and many tourist buses stop to visit.  The Abbott at the Wat has a knack for getting the tourists to make donations.  This has allowed for the construction of beautiful school buildings on land beside the Wat.

  The school is for Kindergarten through Primary level education.  Students attending this school are from various economic backgrounds.  But, the students receiving scholarships are from the poorest families in the school area.  Many of the families are transient and move often due to the fact that they work construction or other jobs that keep them changing locations.  Many of the students are originally from Isan.

This year PILC (Pattaya International Ladies Club) provided scholarships to 20 students ranging in age from 6 to 14 years of age.  The children were all smiles and happy to see us when we arrived.  Judy Hoppe, Chairperson of the PILC Welfare Committee, and her teammates were greeted by Mr. Thanachai Wongsaroj, Director of the School, and Khun Areerat Weerasawat (Khun Toom), the lead teacher.  Also present were Sue and Peewee Cochlan who volunteer at the school, plus Trudy Nyssen and her guest Elaine, Melanie Davies and her daughter Emma, Dzenana Popin, and Johanna Seger from the PILC.

We enjoyed practicing our Thai with the children while they wanted to converse with us using their English skills.

The scholarships will go to help cover the costs not totally covered by the government nor the Wat.  Typical school expenses like uniforms, books and supplies.

Judy Hoppe

Baan Pan Sadet Naai School is a small Thai Primary school in a rural area in the Eastern Seaboard region.  The school has one class per year group and there are nearly 200 pupils enrolled.

For many students the lunch at school is their main meal, and the donation from PILC ensures that no student has to leave the school dinner table hungry.  We provide mainly basic food ingredients like rice, eggs, cooking oil and cooking sauces.

Apart from donating food, PILC members also give English lessons at this school.

Claudia Hayes

I remember a decade ago, there was a lot of talk of AIDS in Thailand.  It was Armageddon and Doomsday and visions of an epidemic that would threaten the world.  That was ten years ago.  Today there is very little discussion about AIDS in Thailand.

I am going to visit the Baan Pak Rak Peun AIDS Home and decide to check what happened.  Why did the warnings, the debate on how to raise awareness, the sense of emergency just sort of die out?

What I learn is that Thailand is one of the few developing countries where public policy has been effective in preventing the spread of HIV and AIDS.  Various state sponsored programs have helped to reduce the numbers of new HIV infections every year from 140,000 to 12,000 in less than ten years.  Yet, an estimated 610,000 Thai people are living with HIV today, which means almost 1% of the total population.  Every year around 30,000 die of AIDS.  And, unlike in most other countries, the majority of the infected are women, not men (ratio 7:5).

Sometimes statistics help.

Sure, the Thai authorities have done an incredible job – although experts now warn that the lack of discussion that followed might lead to a new wave of the epidemic – but 610,000 individuals, 440,000 women, that is simply an awful lot of people.  Living with HIV and AIDS.

The Baan Pak Rak Peun AIDS Home was set up in 2006 by Khun Meow, who was donated a house from the family of a Christian businessman in Pattaya, where she could help local HIV/AIDS patients with accommodation, nutritious food, health care, rehabilitation and access to ARV (antiretroviral) medicines and transport to hospital.

“Khun Meow herself is sick”, Alana Clarke tells me in the car on the way there.  “She is much better now, though.  She used to be ever so thin.”

Alana is the PILC contact for the home and she has been kind enough to come with me.  Her comment reminds me of another thing I read: The ARV therapy that every infected person is offered free of charge in Thailand (if they have the right identity documents) has prolonged the lives of those living with HIV and delayed the virus from progressing to AIDS.  This has significantly reduced the number of people dying of AIDS.  People get sick, and then they get better again.  Today one can live a long time with HIV and AIDS.  But what happens when you are ill?

“Then you come here”, Khun Meow smiles.  She does smile a lot, this tall, lovely lady with round spectacles, long chestnut hair and colourful loose-fitting dress.

A big personality.  Humour.  Heaps of energy.

We are sitting in one of the two rooms of the house.  This one has three bunk beds and houses six.  All the ladies, except two, are here, listening in on our conversation.

“At the moment we are 7 ladies here, between ages 30 and 44″, continues Khun Meow, “and one man, who works as my assistant.  And one child.”  She points to the 6 year-old girl sitting on the floor.  “Her father passed away from AIDS, her mother is a drunk, so we let her stay here.  We give her food and shelter and support for school.  Her name is Mai.”

Mai looks at us with big serious eyes, she knows we are talking about her, but not why.  Khun Meow makes her come and sit with her.

“We can house up to 12 ladies, though”, she adds, “and neither I, nor our assistant is paid.  We are paid from our hearts and by the love of God.  We are all Christians, you know.”

I ask how long a woman will stay at the home and Khun Meow tells me that 6 months to a year is normal, but that it can be longer, depending on infection.

“They can stay as long as they want, until they get healthier and can look after themselves.  Then we help them to get jobs and go back to society.”

At the moment there are two patients with Tuberculosis (TB).  They live in the second bedroom.  TB has become an increasing problem in Thailand with 60 new cases per 100,000 people every year.  Approximately 7.6% of the TB-patients are co-infected with HIV, which makes treatment more difficult for both diseases.

“Here we provide for their basic needs and help them to get medical treatment.  These women are in too bad shape to manage on their own and they can’t get that anywhere else”, says Khun Meow.

I think I am getting the picture: Every Thai person with HIV and AIDS has access to free medicines and medical care, but who will look after them when they get too sick?

Khun Meow agrees:

“We save lives here.  I only wish we could do more, but how can we, when every month we are ten thousand baht short?”

The home receives regular donations from the Mercy Centre, the Tamar Centre, The Life Centre Foundation, The Senior VP of Detac, the PILC (3,000 baht/month), as well as being part of the PILC funded Food Drops.

“We would like to open an HIV/AIDS Centre where people can come for information and help.  And a second home in the central part of Thailand.  We have so many plans, so many ideas, but right now we can’t even make ends meet here.  Sometimes Christian people will donate a few hundred baht here and there, but we can’t count on it”, she says and bounces to her feet to see us out, a smile on her face again.

It is amazing how she manages to keep her spirit so high.  But then, as she says:

“We are all part of the creation of God and we are happy, so happy in our hearts to be living with that love.”

The Baan Pak Rak Peun AIDS Home is looking for steady sponsors.  If you are interested call [PILC member] Alana Clarke.

Elisabeth Gilek

The Project for the Disabled came under the umbrella of Women With a Mission in June 2009, having previously been overseen by Rosanne.  The project to date has provided wheel chairs, medical care and supplies, paid for repairs and carried out alterations to homes for over 50 families living in the Chonburi region.  Additionally, the implementation of a small economic-sustainability project to raise catfish in ponds has provided an income and supplemented the daily diet, whilst helping to give the people a sense of self-worth.

PILC will sponsor 4 new cases in the Maprachan area starting in June.  WWM would like for any interested PILC members to join Rosanne and the Welfare Team to visit the families on June 30th at 10am, leaving from Foodland on Central Pattaya Road.  Contact Rosanne Diamente for more information.  Visit Women With a Mission at www.mywwm.org for more information on all their projects.

As we celebrate our first anniversary, I thought it time for an update on our activities.  We have had a wonderful first year, and like the children, have learned some lessons!

Thanks to Kristina Franberg, who arranged the first batch of uniforms, sponsorship has been obtained from Rote Consulting to enable us to order new uniforms.  Rote Consulting is an independent company in the area of security and technology.  The company is for example integrating the JAS-Gripensystem in the Thai Airforce.  Thanks to their donation/sponsorship we are able to order more suitable uniforms that don’t have collars and are therefore slightly cooler, and have Dek Dee ELC in Thai on the back.

We had over 50 children enroll in the first year.  We realize that life at this level can be pretty transient, so we have seen lots of children come and go through the school year.  We now have some places available, and Khun Yupaporn will be enrolling more “students” over the coming few weeks.  We have had reports from those children who leave and go to other schools that it’s “not like Dek Dee!”  I expect they miss those lunches!

We have been delighted to have sponsorship from many individuals including Peggy Wragge, who has worked tirelessly on her lovely bead bookmarkers, Meghan, Denise and Inez from Rayong Ladies Circle, and also the staff and children from St Andrews School, who have been very active in not only sponsoring places at Dek Dee, but also offering their facilities for the children to go and play on Wednesday mornings – thank you to all who were involved in this!

The Pattaya International Ladies Club has given us a generous donation of one teacher’s salary for the year – and we know that “our” kids are going to take the lessons they learn at Dek Dee with them through their lives.  Thanks so much, PILC, for being part of this project.

We are also looking forward to being part of the Round Square initiative being organized by Regent’s School in October, when overseas students will come and visit Dek Dee and see what it is all about.  That should be fun – a trip to the beach!

Thanks also to Caroline Appleby, who has donated her time and skill to put together the website (www.dekdee.org) – the perfect way to keep up to date with what is going on, and to contact us if you are able to offer sponsorship, or make a donation, of your own.

As we put Songkran behind us, we look forward to the new school year, and the many experiences yet to come!

Gillian Thom

Dear Friends,

Everybody involved at Openaid is genuinely passionate about the village-based projects in the northeast of Thailand.  Today, in 14 villages we provide a range of support services and education programs to inspire and help protect vulnerable girls, to keep them from falling prey to human traffickers and abuse in this part of Southeast Asia.

We are doing our very best with the resources we have to help vulnerable girls and their families, to improve their lives.

This year, one young Australian from Melbourne donated $1000 specifically for our village-based projects.  Last week, Baan Nongkanoun community members under the direction of Openaid workers started constructing Aom’s new home, a small besser brick type dwelling which is a far cry from the makeshift old hut with broken walls and floors she lived in!

Aom suffers from physical and mental impairment (affects eyesight and social and intellectual abilities).  Day-to-day functioning is severely restricted and mostly she doesn’t speak or communicate successfully with others.

Phongsok, Aom’s mother, has always had a fantasy of a safe and clean house for Aom.  She told me, “Mosquitoes are everywhere when it rains and water always soaks blankets and clothes.”

We have been supporting families and girls in Nongkanoun village for 2 years, providing ‘Life Choices’ education at their school, microfinance to start income generation projects, and a range of community networking activities with women.  Children from all ages are benefiting, especially girls disadvantaged and less fortunate.

We are extremely proud of the villagers in Nongkanoun who have enthusiastically come together with us to build this new home for Aom and her mother.  Aom’s family earns about 65 baht per day (around $2 AUD) and are obviously unable by themselves to build a safe house for their family.  Projects like this in Thailand and along northeast borders with Laos provide great support and education for vulnerable girls, keeping them in school and away from those who prey on poor families with young daughters.

A young Australian donates $1000 which helps to transform Aom’s life!  I am inspired by this one generous act.  $1000 is all it takes!  We are hoping to be able to progressively build a number of these homes over time as funds become available.  I believe others may be prepared to share the blessings we all have if they really appreciated what a difference their $s can make.

I’m excited to see the first photos of construction progress and will visit Aom again next month when back in Thailand.  If you are not already committed to a work like ours and would like to contribute something to this great program which brings hope and a brighter future for young girls and their families, please contact me on office@openaid.org.au.

Best Regards,

Justin Whitecross, Director

Hi Ladies,

I’m sure you are all aware that it’s school holidays at the minute for the Thai children.  A happy time for the kids, but as the holidays start to come to the end, it’s a worrying time for the parents, as all the items required by the school need to be bought.  I was asked by Khun Noi from Kate’s Project if we could help any of the families that come under Kate’s umbrella.  After getting the amount of 30,000 baht approved, all that was left to do was to make a date to do some shopping.

So, I arranged to meet at the school uniform shop in Naklua near the new market on Friday, 30th April, with Khun Noi and all the families.  It was very busy when I arrived at 9am, there were 40 children there, and their parents were helping them very eagerly to try on different items.  Basically each child received a new skirt/shorts, belt, shirt, socks and shoes, and some of the older children are attending the school that requires a scout uniform so they needed badges also.

After all the purchases were made, we made our way out to the small Soi at the back of the shop where the children all proceeded to put on their new uniforms for Noi to take photos, much to the stares of passers by.

As you can see from all their happy faces, this was an enjoyable morning for both the kids and their grateful parents.  So, from all the families helped this morning can I just say a big Thank You to the PILC for everything received this morning and their continuing support through the food drops as well.

Alana Clarke

“Bringing a little sunshine into the darkness”, is the slogan of Kate’s Project and the emblem they have chosen is that of a sun coming out of a cloud.  It makes me think of a Buddhist saying I heard: The sun is always there even if it is covered by clouds, just as happiness is always there, you only have to see past the unhappiness.

It all sounds so good and so easy, but how is life really, honestly, if you are a kid living in the Pattaya slums?  What are your chances of finding a better life than that of your parents?  What are your needs and how does the charity of those who are more fortunate reach me?

When I talk about this with Khun Noi, the co-ordinator of Kate’s Project – an organisation founded by the Irish couple Roisin Hall and Andrew McCaroll in 2006 and focused on helping the poorest and most abandoned in the slums of Pattaya – I soon get the feeling that the problem is far more complex and difficult than the often sunny descriptions given in pamphlets and on websites.

“It is difficult to change people”, says Noi, not one time, but again and again.  “That is why we try to focus on the children.  Through education they will get new and different values and skills that can enable them to break the patterns of their parents.”

Not that the project never tries to help the whole family: Kate’s Project has relocated families to rented rooms with running water and sewer, donated materials to start micro businesses, built water tanks and helped to develop skills and crafts that can provide income.

“Sometimes it works”, says Noi, “but many times it doesn’t.  Being successful in business is hard, not all people can manage it, even if they really want to and the enterprise is small.  That is why our main focus is on the children.  Our aim is to break that heritage.”

In January 2009 Kate’s Project was able to, through various donations, aquire a house on Soi Siam (East Pattaya) and to open The Centre of Hope, a focal point for the poorest families to meet and receive advice, health care and education.  Also, Khun Noi makes regular visits to the 70 or so families in the area that are part of the project, inquiring about their needs.

“Right now (early April) the needs are enormous, as schools will start again in May and everyone has to have uniforms and school equipment for the next term.”

Khun Noi makes notes of all requirements and then allocates the funds she has (of which the PILC donates 50,000 baht every year).  Around 150 children are awarded scholarships, which include all costs for attending school as well as lunch each day.

Kate’s Project also works with The Fountain of Life and the PILC on the joint Food Drops Project: PILC donates the money (9000 baht/month) and does the shopping, the children at the FOL then pack the 40 food bags containing rice, noodles, canned fish, oil, soy, fish sauce, and finally Kate’s Project distributes them.  Each month 15 families are chosen on a rotating basis to come to the Project and pick up a bag, the rest of the food bags are given to the Child Protection Centre (10 bags) and the Bahn Pak Rak Peun AIDS Home (12 bags).

Food, education, health care; those are the pillars of Kate’s Project.  “It is hard to do much more”, says Noi as we are driving towards one of the slum areas she often visits.  “We try, but it is really hard.”

In case you have missed it, let me repeat again that I am quite new here in Thailand (6 months soon).  Yet I have travelled all over the world and lived in many countries other than my own and what always puzzles me when I am confronted with real poverty is why on earth don’t they tidy up a little around themselves, why this mess?  I know this might sound blunt and that it might not be politically correct, but the empty bottles scattered on the ground, the trash, the heaps of garbage, the rotting mattresses, all of this – not the shacks built of gathered wood and corrugated steel – is for me the most significant image of poverty.  Not only here, but anywhere, in any country.  There is nothing romantic about poverty.  It doesn’t make people better or more noble and less complicated.  Let’s face it.  Poverty is just not nice.  It is an ugly, awful thing.  It is a hard, tough life.  And children grow up with it.  All the time.

Okay, so this said, the area Khun Noi has taken me to consists of six houses.  As in many of the slums the residents’ main income is from recycling plastics, paper and cans, as well as collecting wood and burning it to charcoal.  Two of the families have children.

When we arrive a smiling young woman immediately shows Khun Noi the navel of her infant child.  It has finally, after months of infection, begun to heal.  A three year-old tugs at her shirt and makes faces at us.  She tells us that she is originally from Surin, near the Cambodian border, but that, like many others, they came to Pattaya “because this is where the money is.”  Inside the house lies her husband on a mattress on the floor, sleeping (it off).  It is eleven o’clock in the morning and most of the other residents are around.

“Sometimes they have jobs, sometimes they don’t”, says Noi and shows me the two water tanks that Kate’s Project has built.  “They are not in use anymore”, she tells me and, I am sorry to say, it never became quite clear to me why, only that after the owner of the land levelled the shacks to the ground – which tends to happen about once a year – the people rebuilt their houses in slightly different places and the water tanks were no longer used.

“Now they go and get water and bring it here”, says Noi, “or use the water in the stream nearby, which is about the most unhealthy thing they can do.  It is hard to change people.  But we try.”

Grandpa Prasert is sixty and he and his wife have a problem they want to discuss with Khun Noi.  Their 7 year-old grandson Ta still does not have his identity papers, and even though he has been allowed to begin school anyway, the head office will soon demand the necessary paperwork.

Ta is such a good student, his grandpa tells us, the school wanted to give him a scholarship, but then they couldn’t because of his non-existing papers.  What should they do?  Can Noi help them?  The boy’s father is dead and his mother ran off with another man just after Ta was born.

“Can I adopt him?” asks Grandpa Prasert.  “I really want to.”
Khun Noi tells him she will make the necessary enquiries and get back.
“But it is difficult”, she says to me.  “It takes time and costs money, especially if you make a DNA test to prove family ties, which would be the best way for Ta to get his identity established.”

On the up side, Ta is able to attend school, for now, he is a good student and he makes his grandfather very proud.

“I would like to take him home to our home village in the Kampangphet Province over Songkran”, he says.  “I don’t know if we will have the money for the bus, but I will burn a lot of charcoal and then we will see.  I want to show him where he really stems from.  He has never been up there.”

I think Grandpa Prasert knows that the future lies with Ta.  He speaks of him as if he really is set on helping his grandchild to a better life.  As is Kate’s Project, which works to give children like Ta education and visions of how to shape and change their destiny.  A destiny different from their parents.

The sun is always there, say the wise.  Yes, of course.  But if by that one means the possibility of the young to have a better life, they sometimes need help to disperse the clouds.

Elisabeth Gilek

This home was established in 1992.  The purpose of the home is to provide basic needs of the children, ensure that all these children receive good education, both in and outside of the school, development and support of the children’s self-confidence and self esteem, and development and support of the children’s talents and special skills.

It consists of two houses: one for the girls and the other, naturally, for the boys.  Attached to the boy’s home is a duplex type home – 1st floor used for music, computer, and any other activity that keeps the children busy – 2nd floor is the residence and office of Khun Piangta Chumoni, the administrator.  It is located at 82/1 Moo 6, Nongprue – Banglamung, Chonburi.

At the present time, there are 64 children (ages 11 months to 19 years) consisting of 34 girls and 30 boys whose parents are either physically, mentally, financially, marginalised or deceased – which makes them unable to care for their child.  The children receive counseling, encouragement, love and care from the house parents.  At the present time, there are seven staff members and three full time volunteers.  The children are instructed to learn to help with the cooking and household duties.  Their special activities include crafts, music, and swimming.

There are six sets of siblings: sisters – 1, sister and brother – 2, mother and son – 1, and brothers – 2.  None are adoptable due to relatives still living.  There are three children who have no relatives at all.

Regular support is given to the home by the Pattaya Sports Club which pays the monthly rent.  The Jesters contribute 30,000 baht monthly for vegetables and fruit.  Three years ago the PILC and Jesters did a great deal of restoration to the two homes, besides fully cleaning them.  We also had both homes painted inside and outside, bathrooms repaired, a new bathroom built outside, a kitchen built outside, roof repairs, and the driveway leveled.  When we first started with them, the playground consisted of just dirt.  One of our PILC members raised money in Italy, which has helped to fill the lot with playground equipment.

Schooling: There are ten children who are sponsored fully.  The rest the government helps with one uniform, and the home pays for the books, activities, and lunch money.  Fortunately, there is a van that picks up some of the children, and the home takes the rest of them to school.

For the past three years the PILC has paid for the dental checkups and the work needed for the children over five years of age.  At the present time, due to the older children who have left, new ones have taken their place – there are 13 children that still need to be checked.  There is an eye clinic offered to the children, but unfortunately, this program has slowed down for them due to volunteers needed for transportation.

The children have performed many times at our Christmas luncheon.  Music is very important to all of them.  During March and April, some of them are able to go to music camp in Surin.  Baan Jing Jai’s combo has taken first place for four years straight and, in 2009 their two combos competed, taking first and third places.  This year there were no contests.  There is one young boy who has a dream of going to music school.  When he hears music he can play it, without ever seeing the sheet music.

The children have done many money making projects: making jewelry and candles, collecting paper, plastic, and bottles and their latest venture is making muesli, which is a fabulous breakfast cereal and ice cream topper.

The home and children welcome visitors.  So far, this year, people from Canada, Korea, and Chiang Mai have come bringing food and doing outside activities with the children.  But that does not mean you need to bring anything with you to visit the home.  There is a continual need for financial support to maintain their day to day living in the home: health, food, clothing and education.

If you need any more additional information, I will try to give you an answer, or find out about it for you.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Respectfully, Nancy Bradburn